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		<title>By: Subversive Influence &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Missional Order: Three Remembrances for Living in Exile</title>
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		<dc:creator>Subversive Influence &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Missional Order: Three Remembrances for Living in Exile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 19:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I&#8217;ve been working up to this all week, and I doubt I can cover it off in a single entry, but let&#8217;s see what we come up with, shall we? Just piecing together some themes following the Seabeck Gathering sponsored by Allelon, I have begun to consider The Role of The Rule (and other disciplines) as part of The Subversive Nature of the Ordinary in helping to keep us on the path during a mapless quest or an aimful wandering &#8212; a Peregrinatio. Len picked up a theme from me of covenant renewal, which I commented further upon, saying I didn&#8217;t plan to hit the theme until today, that I was just foreshadowing. Well, the pressure&#8217;s on. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I&#8217;ve been working up to this all week, and I doubt I can cover it off in a single entry, but let&#8217;s see what we come up with, shall we? Just piecing together some themes following the Seabeck Gathering sponsored by Allelon, I have begun to consider The Role of The Rule (and other disciplines) as part of The Subversive Nature of the Ordinary in helping to keep us on the path during a mapless quest or an aimful wandering &#8212; a Peregrinatio. Len picked up a theme from me of covenant renewal, which I commented further upon, saying I didn&#8217;t plan to hit the theme until today, that I was just foreshadowing. Well, the pressure&#8217;s on. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: len</title>
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		<dc:creator>len</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 16:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peggy, great stuff. Yes, these themes are at the heart of our Story, and so also at the heart of the way we live it out...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peggy, great stuff. Yes, these themes are at the heart of our Story, and so also at the heart of the way we live it out&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Peggy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peggy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 04:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Len and all,

I have, over the past 15 years, come to finally rest upon covenant as central to everythingâ€”fully realizing that this is neither well understood in most circles nor easy to disentangle from changing nuances of vocabulary over the past 1700 years.  What I am not talking about is making a covenant together to join an orderâ€”I am talking about us actually understanding the very nature and reality of the covenant to which we have already been joinedâ€”ratified by the very blood of Jesus.

We need to acknowledge appropriate societal expectations, yes, but we are already bound to one another, whether we want to be or not!  What hurts you hurts me, whether I feel it or not.  What benefits you benefits me...and if I see something that is potentially hurtful to you and I do not move to protect you from it, to defend you in it, I am guiltyâ€¦you get the picture.  

I resist using covenant in the current common manner because it confuses and dilutes the understanding of the binding covenant we already haveâ€¦as if we are not really already bound to treat each other as beloved brothers and sisters in Christâ€¦as if the way we treat each other is not received by Christ as personal to himself.

I am required to look out for the best interest of my covenant partners (God and members of Christâ€™s body), and discerning what that means is the challenge people do not want to embraceâ€”as in Chestertonâ€™s famous quote about Christianity being found difficult and left largely untried.  There are, however, new covenant terms and conditions:  Love God/neighbor &amp; disciple the nations.  And those Ts &amp; Cs find their full articulation in the Great Commandment/Great Commission and are summed up by the simple command to be like Christ.

Faithful covenant-keeping (chesed) in the old covenant is to be found in the new covenant through the command to have love (agape), grace (charis) and mercy (eleos) for &quot;one another&quot; (allelon), made manifest in acts of mutual submission, sacrificial service and servant leadership.  These are, for me, foundational attitudes and actions that safeguard mDNA for whatever we do in Godâ€™s name and for his Kingdom.

That is not to say that we can always be totally successful in our effortsâ€”especially complete inclusion of the â€œother.â€  But weâ€”every one of usâ€”must never cease to give due diligence to that effort...looking to at least have representation in line with our constituencies.  Without intentionally remembering our binding responsibility to both recognize and include the totality of the covenant community/Body of Christ in whatever we plan, we break covenantâ€”with God and with those we neglect.  And covenant breaking requires the humility to embrace confession, repentance, forgiveness, restitution and reconciliation.

If, then, we are centered on God (Father-Son-Holy Spirit) as solemn covenant-making and faithful covenant-keeping &quot;communitas,&quot; realizing the amazing â€œsimplexityâ€ of the new covenant in Jesus Christ, then what we do and how we do it already has an established frameworkâ€¦I would venture that it is a forgotten framework, as it wereâ€¦ ;^)

And if we, in the birthing of this new order, move too quickly to set form and action without proper replication of the mDNA found in covenantâ€¦we doom it to become the latest â€œnew thingâ€ rather than the fresh work of the Holy Spirit in and through us.  And so we embrace the tension of the &quot;don&#039;t wait&quot; and &quot;be patient.&quot;

I will be carefully working through these issues as they relate to CovenantClusters in the coming daysâ€¦but I did want to mention them here at this point in time.

Thanks for listeningâ€¦</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Len and all,</p>
<p>I have, over the past 15 years, come to finally rest upon covenant as central to everythingâ€”fully realizing that this is neither well understood in most circles nor easy to disentangle from changing nuances of vocabulary over the past 1700 years.  What I am not talking about is making a covenant together to join an orderâ€”I am talking about us actually understanding the very nature and reality of the covenant to which we have already been joinedâ€”ratified by the very blood of Jesus.</p>
<p>We need to acknowledge appropriate societal expectations, yes, but we are already bound to one another, whether we want to be or not!  What hurts you hurts me, whether I feel it or not.  What benefits you benefits me&#8230;and if I see something that is potentially hurtful to you and I do not move to protect you from it, to defend you in it, I am guiltyâ€¦you get the picture.  </p>
<p>I resist using covenant in the current common manner because it confuses and dilutes the understanding of the binding covenant we already haveâ€¦as if we are not really already bound to treat each other as beloved brothers and sisters in Christâ€¦as if the way we treat each other is not received by Christ as personal to himself.</p>
<p>I am required to look out for the best interest of my covenant partners (God and members of Christâ€™s body), and discerning what that means is the challenge people do not want to embraceâ€”as in Chestertonâ€™s famous quote about Christianity being found difficult and left largely untried.  There are, however, new covenant terms and conditions:  Love God/neighbor &amp; disciple the nations.  And those Ts &amp; Cs find their full articulation in the Great Commandment/Great Commission and are summed up by the simple command to be like Christ.</p>
<p>Faithful covenant-keeping (chesed) in the old covenant is to be found in the new covenant through the command to have love (agape), grace (charis) and mercy (eleos) for &#8220;one another&#8221; (allelon), made manifest in acts of mutual submission, sacrificial service and servant leadership.  These are, for me, foundational attitudes and actions that safeguard mDNA for whatever we do in Godâ€™s name and for his Kingdom.</p>
<p>That is not to say that we can always be totally successful in our effortsâ€”especially complete inclusion of the â€œother.â€  But weâ€”every one of usâ€”must never cease to give due diligence to that effort&#8230;looking to at least have representation in line with our constituencies.  Without intentionally remembering our binding responsibility to both recognize and include the totality of the covenant community/Body of Christ in whatever we plan, we break covenantâ€”with God and with those we neglect.  And covenant breaking requires the humility to embrace confession, repentance, forgiveness, restitution and reconciliation.</p>
<p>If, then, we are centered on God (Father-Son-Holy Spirit) as solemn covenant-making and faithful covenant-keeping &#8220;communitas,&#8221; realizing the amazing â€œsimplexityâ€ of the new covenant in Jesus Christ, then what we do and how we do it already has an established frameworkâ€¦I would venture that it is a forgotten framework, as it wereâ€¦ ;^)</p>
<p>And if we, in the birthing of this new order, move too quickly to set form and action without proper replication of the mDNA found in covenantâ€¦we doom it to become the latest â€œnew thingâ€ rather than the fresh work of the Holy Spirit in and through us.  And so we embrace the tension of the &#8220;don&#8217;t wait&#8221; and &#8220;be patient.&#8221;</p>
<p>I will be carefully working through these issues as they relate to CovenantClusters in the coming daysâ€¦but I did want to mention them here at this point in time.</p>
<p>Thanks for listeningâ€¦</p>
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		<title>By: len</title>
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		<dc:creator>len</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 02:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>brad, it sounds like you are talking about process? I was aiming more at the execution and ethos of an order, thinking about the nature of commitment and where it takes us, how it contributes to sustainability, renewal, etc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>brad, it sounds like you are talking about process? I was aiming more at the execution and ethos of an order, thinking about the nature of commitment and where it takes us, how it contributes to sustainability, renewal, etc</p>
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		<title>By: len</title>
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		<dc:creator>len</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 02:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dan, it may not matter what we identify as THE central theme. It is a critical theme, and it carries over strongly to the NT. How critical it is to the function of an order..Â probably too soon to say, but possibly useful to explore that theme. I&#039;m going to spend some time on this..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dan, it may not matter what we identify as THE central theme. It is a critical theme, and it carries over strongly to the NT. How critical it is to the function of an order..Â probably too soon to say, but possibly useful to explore that theme. I&#8217;m going to spend some time on this..</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Steigerwald</title>
		<link>http://nextreformation.com/?p=1842&#038;cpage=1#comment-43443</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Steigerwald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 01:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Len, various theological centers of the OT have been posited (e.g. community, promise, presence, covenant, etc.), and some suggest there is no theological center (e.g. Westerman, Gerhard van Rad, Brevard Childs). Hassel Bullock, who I had in seminary, suggests we can only rightly say God is the theological center. So, covenant may be a good choice to begin to relate to missional order, but certainly not all would agree that it is the most fundamental theme of the First Testament. 

This is not to suggest that covenant isn&#039;t a good starting point for more thorough considerations on constructing an Order. We need to be quickened by communal help to proper memory I agree, and the MO certainly could be structured to get at that. If our covenanting with one another in the sight of God (gulp, sounds like marriage) enables greater faithfulness to God individually and communally, then I&#039;m all for a meaningful covenantal framework.

My wife is calling for dinner, so I&#039;ll get busted if I delay any longer...

Good thoughts. Thank you.

Dan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Len, various theological centers of the OT have been posited (e.g. community, promise, presence, covenant, etc.), and some suggest there is no theological center (e.g. Westerman, Gerhard van Rad, Brevard Childs). Hassel Bullock, who I had in seminary, suggests we can only rightly say God is the theological center. So, covenant may be a good choice to begin to relate to missional order, but certainly not all would agree that it is the most fundamental theme of the First Testament. </p>
<p>This is not to suggest that covenant isn&#8217;t a good starting point for more thorough considerations on constructing an Order. We need to be quickened by communal help to proper memory I agree, and the MO certainly could be structured to get at that. If our covenanting with one another in the sight of God (gulp, sounds like marriage) enables greater faithfulness to God individually and communally, then I&#8217;m all for a meaningful covenantal framework.</p>
<p>My wife is calling for dinner, so I&#8217;ll get busted if I delay any longer&#8230;</p>
<p>Good thoughts. Thank you.</p>
<p>Dan</p>
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		<title>By: brad</title>
		<link>http://nextreformation.com/?p=1842&#038;cpage=1#comment-43434</link>
		<dc:creator>brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 23:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it makes sense to me what you said, len, about shared practices shaping a culture. it will be important that the Allelon leaders and fellow-travelers eventually consider other angles about how cultures change in times of relative calm, and how cultures change when external forces dictate that things can never again be how they were. (both of these topics surfaced but were not explored at Seabeck).

meanwhile, perhaps we could reflect on the turn-of-the-20th-century salons as a case study in shared practices among people who were likely more on the fringe of things and created a way of coming together to share discussions among people who appreciated circling in and through lively and &quot;subversive&quot; issues. the forum itself provided the continuity, though the topics varied. 

and that &quot;lost generation&quot; was actually a type of &quot;virtual tribe,&quot; drawn together by a similar non-standard ethos (which at the same time meant being marginalized by people of the standard ethos). that&#039;s something important to look at, as the Church [capital &quot;C&quot; for universal Church] is the world&#039;s longest-running virtual tribe, cutting across all dividing lines of time and space, and despite local cultures we as disciples following Jesus Christ hold to a counter-cultural ethos ...

some other very intriguing forms of covenant and listening/leadership can be found among councils of various Native American tribes. for instance, the Iruquois elders would consider the implications of potential decisions to the seventh generation. i believe it was the Cherokee whose practice was for whichever group arrived first at a council, the men or women elders, to wait for the other to arrive; with only one group present, they could only hold half a dialog. (i&#039;m still trying to get my research together and verify which tribe did that, as well as the following.) another tribe, when making decisions, allowed anyone present to share questions and comments, starting with the youngest and going to the eldest.

i have been a long-time student of this cluster of cultures, and was even a member of Indian Club in high school. i&#039;m intrigued by all of these modes of leadership and listening, as they run so very counter to what is typical for most contemporary European cultures. they are also far more &quot;future-oriented,&quot; both in interacting deeply for the sake of the community&#039;s future and in finding ways to raise up its next generation leaders.

okay, gotta zip for now. still working on my own processing of Seabeck and the issues from that i&#039;m wrestling with ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it makes sense to me what you said, len, about shared practices shaping a culture. it will be important that the Allelon leaders and fellow-travelers eventually consider other angles about how cultures change in times of relative calm, and how cultures change when external forces dictate that things can never again be how they were. (both of these topics surfaced but were not explored at Seabeck).</p>
<p>meanwhile, perhaps we could reflect on the turn-of-the-20th-century salons as a case study in shared practices among people who were likely more on the fringe of things and created a way of coming together to share discussions among people who appreciated circling in and through lively and &#8220;subversive&#8221; issues. the forum itself provided the continuity, though the topics varied. </p>
<p>and that &#8220;lost generation&#8221; was actually a type of &#8220;virtual tribe,&#8221; drawn together by a similar non-standard ethos (which at the same time meant being marginalized by people of the standard ethos). that&#8217;s something important to look at, as the Church [capital "C" for universal Church] is the world&#8217;s longest-running virtual tribe, cutting across all dividing lines of time and space, and despite local cultures we as disciples following Jesus Christ hold to a counter-cultural ethos &#8230;</p>
<p>some other very intriguing forms of covenant and listening/leadership can be found among councils of various Native American tribes. for instance, the Iruquois elders would consider the implications of potential decisions to the seventh generation. i believe it was the Cherokee whose practice was for whichever group arrived first at a council, the men or women elders, to wait for the other to arrive; with only one group present, they could only hold half a dialog. (i&#8217;m still trying to get my research together and verify which tribe did that, as well as the following.) another tribe, when making decisions, allowed anyone present to share questions and comments, starting with the youngest and going to the eldest.</p>
<p>i have been a long-time student of this cluster of cultures, and was even a member of Indian Club in high school. i&#8217;m intrigued by all of these modes of leadership and listening, as they run so very counter to what is typical for most contemporary European cultures. they are also far more &#8220;future-oriented,&#8221; both in interacting deeply for the sake of the community&#8217;s future and in finding ways to raise up its next generation leaders.</p>
<p>okay, gotta zip for now. still working on my own processing of Seabeck and the issues from that i&#8217;m wrestling with &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: len</title>
		<link>http://nextreformation.com/?p=1842&#038;cpage=1#comment-43417</link>
		<dc:creator>len</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, I think a lot of what we draw is covenant... that we need not only practices but SHARED practices. Shared practices shape a culture. Its difficult to walk alone, and in our culture we are almost compulsively individualistic. But secondly, if culture is a cultivating force, practices will shape an ethos that in turn will help us shape a people, and not just any people but a peculiar people.. an alternative (and faithful) culture. I&#039;m describing something of a circular process. Perhaps this process is closer to our experience than we realize, but like fish its hard to describe water.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, I think a lot of what we draw is covenant&#8230; that we need not only practices but SHARED practices. Shared practices shape a culture. Its difficult to walk alone, and in our culture we are almost compulsively individualistic. But secondly, if culture is a cultivating force, practices will shape an ethos that in turn will help us shape a people, and not just any people but a peculiar people.. an alternative (and faithful) culture. I&#8217;m describing something of a circular process. Perhaps this process is closer to our experience than we realize, but like fish its hard to describe water.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Michael Matkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. Michael Matkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should clarify that. I realize that we looked especially hard at Northumbria. I guess my question has been, as I&#039;ve had time to reflect on the conversation that we had in Seabeck, what exactly are we trying to create here and what are we seeking to draw from examples like Northumbria.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should clarify that. I realize that we looked especially hard at Northumbria. I guess my question has been, as I&#8217;ve had time to reflect on the conversation that we had in Seabeck, what exactly are we trying to create here and what are we seeking to draw from examples like Northumbria.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Michael Matkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. Michael Matkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m also enjoying this discussion, but I have to admit that, even after our time at Seabeck, I&#039;m still not entirely certain what we all mean by &#039;missional order,&#039; both in terms of structure and in terms of purpose. If it&#039;s just a question of providing mutual encouragement and accountability for the personal practice of spiritual disciplines, there&#039;s not much that&#039;s terribly distinct about it. YWAM, Campus Crusade and Intervarsity, for example, would all qualify in some ways under that definition (and in some ways even more than what we seem to be talking about). Perhaps everyone else has a common picture in mind that has escaped me; if so, I&#039;d like to hear what people are thinking and what images or models we&#039;re drawing from.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m also enjoying this discussion, but I have to admit that, even after our time at Seabeck, I&#8217;m still not entirely certain what we all mean by &#8216;missional order,&#8217; both in terms of structure and in terms of purpose. If it&#8217;s just a question of providing mutual encouragement and accountability for the personal practice of spiritual disciplines, there&#8217;s not much that&#8217;s terribly distinct about it. YWAM, Campus Crusade and Intervarsity, for example, would all qualify in some ways under that definition (and in some ways even more than what we seem to be talking about). Perhaps everyone else has a common picture in mind that has escaped me; if so, I&#8217;d like to hear what people are thinking and what images or models we&#8217;re drawing from.</p>
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